It's a really interesting topic and I would like to ask you some questions:
On slide 9 you pointed :" back to the concept of alienation"
What does it mean? Aren't we not more or less alienated since the industrial revolution?
Slide 10 I do not understand. Please, comment a bit.
Slide 13: Not new, but I really like this definition!
Slide 20 a.f.: According your slides it seems to be wishful to develop proper consumer markets. But doesn't that lead to more uniformity and intellectual inactivity ?
On slide 9 you pointed :" back to the concept of alienation"What does it mean? Aren't we not more or less alienated since the industrial revolution?
The concept of alienation described by Marx is as follows: "the experience of isolation resulting from powerlessness." It is the process of dissatisfaction leading to alienation from the actual act of work, from other workers, and the own human potential. Marx stated that, with the industrialisation and increasing factury/manufacturing labour, people become machines that are being controlled by a ruling class. And the point that I was trying to make with "back to the concept of alienation" was more or less for the class to show that there is again a relationship between the shifting balance between the primary and the secondary labour market and the concept of alienation. you are right, we have been alienated since the industrial revolution.
Slide 10 I do not understand. Please, comment a bit.
There has been a steady growth of the number of women working for the past years and the characteristics of women's work is still different to that of men:
wages (rarely salaries) --> no fixed periodical payment, rather paid by day/week for work or services --> more irregular
still usually paid less than men (work has less status than that of men)
greater job insecurity
higher likeliness of unemployment
“glass ceiling” --> career advancements are blocked (hierarchy in org.) --> discrimination (sexism, racism)
Then there is still what is called "occupational gender segregation", which means that men and women are still attributed different types of jobs (IT, literature teacher).
Many women (minorities) are hired by other households (middle class) for domestic labour. Employment of racialised groups and migrant workers. It is questioned whether this might be some kind of “women slavery”, as they have a low pay and work long hours.
Then there are sweatshops (in lower-income countries) which is basically the bottom of pyramid of labour exploitation and profit generation. Women migrate towards work in developing countries. It is said, although there is less agricultural work, it is becoming feminised. Some say that globalization is process of exploitation for women in less-developed countries.
Slide 20 a.f.: According your slides it seems to be wishful to develop proper consumer markets. But doesn't that lead to more uniformity and intellectual inactivity ?
What do u mean with "wishful to develop proper consumer markets"? And we stated simply the change of consumer behaviour. We did not judge whether it will be for the better or worse. And it might actually lead to less uniformity due to globalization and the mixture of all sorts of cultures and symbols. no metropolis is the same. London and Paris are not comparable, so aren't New York and Hong Kong, even though we attach more meaning to brands and define ourselves to those. On the contrary, I think there will be more and more niche markets, that are more difficult to target. Similarly difficult it will be to market to less-developed countries, as they are just at the beginning and experience a completely different development than the Westernised countries.
And what are your conclusions?
And the conclusion of this is simply, that there is a change in the economies, work and consumption. nothing exciting or what kind of conclusions did you mean?
I am not sure if that development lead to less uniformity because every here in the world you can find the same big brands. I guess there exist a desire for national typical and traditional products, at least to keep national and/or regional identities. But it seems as if the recovery of traditional products and regional unique development is a luxury movement. Less developed regions do all to get into the same consumption binge as the rest of the world.
But in that case you are right, you need to be educated to understand and play the game.
Fri, 2007-11-23 11:06
Some questions
It's a really interesting topic and I would like to ask you some questions:
On slide 9 you pointed :" back to the concept of alienation"
What does it mean? Aren't we not more or less alienated since the industrial revolution?
Slide 10 I do not understand. Please, comment a bit.
Slide 13: Not new, but I really like this definition!
Slide 20 a.f.: According your slides it seems to be wishful to develop proper consumer markets. But doesn't that lead to more uniformity and intellectual inactivity ?
And what are your conclusions?
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»Sun, 2007-11-25 20:21
Some Answers
On slide 9 you pointed :" back to the concept of alienation"What does it mean? Aren't we not more or less alienated since the industrial revolution?
The concept of alienation described by Marx is as follows: "the experience of isolation resulting from powerlessness." It is the process of dissatisfaction leading to alienation from the actual act of work, from other workers, and the own human potential. Marx stated that, with the industrialisation and increasing factury/manufacturing labour, people become machines that are being controlled by a ruling class. And the point that I was trying to make with "back to the concept of alienation" was more or less for the class to show that there is again a relationship between the shifting balance between the primary and the secondary labour market and the concept of alienation. you are right, we have been alienated since the industrial revolution.
Slide 10 I do not understand. Please, comment a bit.
There has been a steady growth of the number of women working for the past years and the characteristics of women's work is still different to that of men:
Then there is still what is called "occupational gender segregation", which means that men and women are still attributed different types of jobs (IT, literature teacher).
Many women (minorities) are hired by other households (middle class) for domestic labour. Employment of racialised groups and migrant workers. It is questioned whether this might be some kind of “women slavery”, as they have a low pay and work long hours.
Then there are sweatshops (in lower-income countries) which is basically the bottom of pyramid of labour exploitation and profit generation. Women migrate towards work in developing countries. It is said, although there is less agricultural work, it is becoming feminised. Some say that globalization is process of exploitation for women in less-developed countries.
Slide 20 a.f.: According your slides it seems to be wishful to develop proper consumer markets. But doesn't that lead to more uniformity and intellectual inactivity ?
What do u mean with "wishful to develop proper consumer markets"? And we stated simply the change of consumer behaviour. We did not judge whether it will be for the better or worse. And it might actually lead to less uniformity due to globalization and the mixture of all sorts of cultures and symbols. no metropolis is the same. London and Paris are not comparable, so aren't New York and Hong Kong, even though we attach more meaning to brands and define ourselves to those. On the contrary, I think there will be more and more niche markets, that are more difficult to target. Similarly difficult it will be to market to less-developed countries, as they are just at the beginning and experience a completely different development than the Westernised countries.
And what are your conclusions?
And the conclusion of this is simply, that there is a change in the economies, work and consumption. nothing exciting or what kind of conclusions did you mean?
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»Fri, 2007-11-30 19:25
consumer markets
I am not sure if that development lead to less uniformity because every here in the world you can find the same big brands. I guess there exist a desire for national typical and traditional products, at least to keep national and/or regional identities. But it seems as if the recovery of traditional products and regional unique development is a luxury movement. Less developed regions do all to get into the same consumption binge as the rest of the world.
But in that case you are right, you need to be educated to understand and play the game.
This, I found, is interesting.
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